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pesus 56 minutes ago [-]
Amazing how these are two of the most powerful men currently in existence and they bicker like children.
nostrademons 28 minutes ago [-]
That's probably why they are two of the most powerful men currently in existence.
When there is something genuinely acknowledged as being valuable - and a $900B company certainly qualifies - people are going to fight over it. Only natural, because in most cases the way to get power is to fight for things that will make you powerful. Just look at the history of Facebook or Twitter or Google Chauffeur/Waymo or Cisco or the U.S. presidency.
When you get wealth and power without fighting, it's usually because you managed to identify something that would eventually make you powerful without anyone else realizing that it's important, until you become too big to overthrow. This is the story of the Google founders or E-bay or Github or...I can't really think of others, it's a pretty rare path to success. Either that, or seem non-threatening and mild-mannered enough that nobody attacks you and then be the last one standing after all the combative types have destroyed each other, like how Sundar got to be CEO of Alphabet or Bran Stark won the Seven Kingdoms.
htrp 8 minutes ago [-]
> Sundar got to be CEO of Alphabet
any background on the game of thrones played inside google for Sundar to get there?
afavour 42 minutes ago [-]
This is what happens when you’ve spent most of your adult life being told you’re an unparalleled genius.
Expect it to get worse in the AI era because it comes with flattery as default.
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m463 32 minutes ago [-]
Your statement seems to imply altman is comparable in power to musk.
nostrademons 20 minutes ago [-]
This is probably true, given his history with YCombinator, ties to Thiel and Microsoft, leadership of OpenAI, and other investments in Reddit, AirBnB, Stripe, and others.
Power doesn't always look like what you think it does.
lesuorac 50 minutes ago [-]
Growing older is mandatory, growing up is not.
sethops1 49 minutes ago [-]
Especially if you possess obscene wealth and surround yourself with sycophants.
api 55 minutes ago [-]
International politics is familiar to anyone who has supervised a group of 2-4 year olds.
jMyles 54 minutes ago [-]
It's no surprise; immense power precludes maturity.
surgical_fire 43 minutes ago [-]
A good reminder to not treat rich retards as visionaries just because they happen to be rich.
baggachipz 54 minutes ago [-]
Is it possible for them both to lose? Because that's what I want and humanity needs.
sevenzero 47 minutes ago [-]
Unfortunately, even if they do it wont change anything. Unless the rich are punished by the "lowly" folk, nothing ever happens. Revolutions seem to part of the past though, life is _just_ comfortable enough to not actively do something about the upper classes wrongdoings.
I guess the good news is that humanities time is slowly ending anyway due to untackled climate issues. I wonder how Europe will handle the 200 million people having to flee their countries within the next few decades.
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baggachipz 29 minutes ago [-]
I know, but a girl can dream....
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ekjhgkejhgk 39 minutes ago [-]
No, both will win.
mrhottakes 49 minutes ago [-]
I feel bad for the judge, jury, and court staff that have to be around these men.
hackingonempty 47 minutes ago [-]
I thought it was well known in the industry that CEOs are liars as this is exploited in the standard method of leveling the stage at a tech conference: have the keynote speaker rehearse then make adjustments until he has lies coming out of both sides of his mouth.
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capibara13 47 minutes ago [-]
So crazy how Musk has time to juggle at least 6 companies, and still prefers to be in a courtroom for this
sevenzero 26 minutes ago [-]
You cant possibly think Musk actively contributes to his companies, lol.
60secs 48 minutes ago [-]
Altman: "See I'm prolific!"
ekjhgkejhgk 40 minutes ago [-]
These people are really delusional.
> “There was something appealing about going to work at Microsoft with [OpenAI President Greg Brockman] on a pure AI research effort,” Altman testified.
How would Altman contribute to a pure AI research effort, he doesn't know anything about AI.
mvdtnz 48 minutes ago [-]
The only part of the entire article which backs that headline is this one sentence, on the line of questioning asking if Altman is aware that people like Sutskever believe him to be a liar,
> Finally, Altman admitted that he had heard that people say that he is a liar, but after that win, Molo’s questioning seemed to lose steam.
I'm not one to defend Altman. I wouldn't piss on him to put out a fire. But this headline is crap.
sidewndr46 43 minutes ago [-]
I think I'm agreement here. How is this a 'win'? Altman stated he heard people talking about him. What is this deposition, 6th grade lunch table?
_puk 34 minutes ago [-]
Do you, sir, acknowledge that many call you a liar?
Yes.
You deny it see, but.. ah bugger.. I hadn't planned for this outcome..
How can you "lose steam" on an admission of one of your own arguments?
like_any_other 39 minutes ago [-]
There's also
> his co-founder, Ilya Sutskever, testified he created a 52-page dossier documenting Altman’s “consistent pattern of lying.”
Oddly enough the article doesn't go into that any further, despite what would seem like extremely relevant information.
ChrisArchitect 53 minutes ago [-]
Related:
A consistent pattern of lying': trial exposes what insiders think of Sam Altman
When there is something genuinely acknowledged as being valuable - and a $900B company certainly qualifies - people are going to fight over it. Only natural, because in most cases the way to get power is to fight for things that will make you powerful. Just look at the history of Facebook or Twitter or Google Chauffeur/Waymo or Cisco or the U.S. presidency.
When you get wealth and power without fighting, it's usually because you managed to identify something that would eventually make you powerful without anyone else realizing that it's important, until you become too big to overthrow. This is the story of the Google founders or E-bay or Github or...I can't really think of others, it's a pretty rare path to success. Either that, or seem non-threatening and mild-mannered enough that nobody attacks you and then be the last one standing after all the combative types have destroyed each other, like how Sundar got to be CEO of Alphabet or Bran Stark won the Seven Kingdoms.
any background on the game of thrones played inside google for Sundar to get there?
Expect it to get worse in the AI era because it comes with flattery as default.
Power doesn't always look like what you think it does.
> “There was something appealing about going to work at Microsoft with [OpenAI President Greg Brockman] on a pure AI research effort,” Altman testified.
How would Altman contribute to a pure AI research effort, he doesn't know anything about AI.
> Finally, Altman admitted that he had heard that people say that he is a liar, but after that win, Molo’s questioning seemed to lose steam.
I'm not one to defend Altman. I wouldn't piss on him to put out a fire. But this headline is crap.
Yes.
You deny it see, but.. ah bugger.. I hadn't planned for this outcome..
How can you "lose steam" on an admission of one of your own arguments?
> his co-founder, Ilya Sutskever, testified he created a 52-page dossier documenting Altman’s “consistent pattern of lying.”
Oddly enough the article doesn't go into that any further, despite what would seem like extremely relevant information.
A consistent pattern of lying': trial exposes what insiders think of Sam Altman
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48103417
Pathological is.